Cardiff City doesn’t deserve Dave Jones

Dave Jones Cardiff City doesnt deserve Dave JonesI resent having to write this article. Part of me feels I am contributing to a discussion that shouldn’t even be aired. I usually try to understand and accept other viewpoints, however absurd they seem to me. But now, with Cardiff City in 2nd place in the Championship, I hear some people are calling for Dave Jones to be fired and I am dumbfounded.

Usually I can ignore such reactionary nonsense by avoiding the places where it is aired. But now, incredibly, the argument for Dave Jones’ dismissal is gaining ground amongst some of the wiser heads. There are people whose opinion I respect, people who have been through the 80’s and 90’s with Cardiff City, who believe  that Dave Jones is no longer the best man for the job.

Where do I begin?

When Dave Jones was appointed manager of Cardiff City in 2005, Cardiff were a club whose financial deceit had just been uncovered. He was appointed at a struggling side, but this being Cardiff, this being football, people felt that they should be doing better:

As Terry Phillips wrote after Jones’ predecessor was fired:

Lawrence left City on something of a low note following a season trying to stave off relegation with a squad most believed should have been nowhere near the lower reaches.

Doesn’t that sound familiar? The culture of entitlement was already there when Jones arrived.

Dave Jones came in to a club that was close to financial disaster. He needed to raise funds urgently. His brief was to keep the club in the Championship. Not to get promotion, just to survive.

The club has been teetering on the brink of ruin since 2006, with a series of court appearances, winding up orders and have been very close to administration on more than one occasion.

In November 2007, against this background Cardiff dropped to 20th place in the Championship. Dave Jones was given two games to save his job by Peter Ridsdale, and was physically threatened by supporters. That season, Cardiff reached the FA Cup Final, which was simply unimaginable in my lifetime, and in 2009 finished in their highest position for 28 years.

He achieved this high position after selling Aaron Ramsey to Arsenal, Chris Gunter to Tottenham, Cameron Jerome and  Roger Johnson to  Birmingham and and several other players for good money. By the end of 2009, he had brought in £33 million.

To replace those players he spent just over £5m. Anthony Gerrard was bought for £200,000 to replace Roger Johnson, who had been sold for £5 million. That is an example of Cardiff’s economics. That is what Dave Jones has had to deal with.

In October 2009, he told the Daily Mail

I personally feel I’m being punished for old debt. I think a lot of managers feel like that. When I arrived my brief was to keep the club in the Championship. The year before they’d just escaped relegation. I was then told we’d have to sell Jobi McAnuff, Danny Gabbidon and James Collins to survive. We then had to sell Peter Thorne. The debt had to come down. I understood.

Last season City reached the play-offs after finishing fourth – another longstanding record was broken. It was our highest position for 39 years.

We are now in 2nd place. We are higher than 23 other teams in our Division; teams who have had money to spend; teams with massive parachute payments from their time in the Premier League; teams with higher average attendances; teams without a huge historical debt to pay off; teams who have just as much right as we do to earn promotion.

So what do Dave Jones’ critics have to say? Firstly that he is “a bottler”. This is based on the failure to maintain superb form throughout a season. He would be better advised to start poorly and finish well. It doesn’t matter what the eventual points total, Jones is penalised for his good starts. It is imagined that somehow, he gets nervous towards the end of a season, and this is transmitted to his players.

Even if this were the case (and I don’t believe it is), then people should remember how we got there in the first place. Look at it objectively. City have reached 7th place, or the playoffs despite a disrupted boardroom, an uncertain future, with players who have missed wages, at a club in a precarious financial situation. They shouldn’t be anywhere near the playoffs by right.

They are there because over his time at the club, Dave Jones has taken awkward, unwanted, discarded players like Whittingham, Burke, Koumas, Chopra, Bothroyd, and combined them with cheap unproven players like Loovens, Johnson, Parry, McCormack and McNaughton. (I could go on), and turned them all into fantastic footballers. You only have to look at the form of people like Ledley, Parry, Chopra, McCormack, and Loovens after they left the club to see what he gave them.

The other criticisms are that he doesn’t wave his arms enough, that he somehow undervalues the importance of the Derby fixture against Swansea, and that he is grumpy with the local press. Listen, I am grumpy just having to listen to the shit that he puts up with, I’d hate to imagine what I’d be like in his shoes.

So against all of this… against a record of unprecedented success on the field since the 1920s, and with a massive profit in transfer dealings at a club in financial meltdown, with a proven record of player development, and developing an exciting style of winning football over his five years at the club, Dave Jones’ job is on the line. Because we have only taken 5 points out of the past 6 games, 2 of which were against the teams in 1st and 3rd places. Six games.

I hope Dave Jones goes and finds himself a club where he is appreciated because Cardiff City don’t deserve him.  And then once he’s gone, we can replace him with a normal manager, somebody who will get the results this broken club deserves. Somebody who we can shout and scream at to make ourselves feel better about our own inadequacies. Dave Jones is too good for us.

14 thoughts on “Cardiff City doesn’t deserve Dave Jones”

  1. Too much common sense in that article for most ‘football fans’. I agree with almost all of it except the last paragraph. A normal manager would have seen us back in League 1 long ago. It seems that now that Mr. Ridsdale has departed some of the ‘fans’, who feel it necessary to blame someone for a few bad results, seek to make themselves feel better by having a go at the manager.

  2. Again couldn’t agree more, there are to many Cardiff supporters that do not appreciate where Dave Jones & (Peter Ridsdale) have taken this club. Ridsdale gave us awesome training facilities and an amazing new stadium which I think people underestimate.
    If we were to be promoted, we have the capacity to build another terrace all the way around the stadium which would be massive for the club, as more people would want to watch Cardiff City in the Premiership, glory supporters or not they will come.
    I think Dave is passionate about Cardiff, fair enough he has made mistakes, like keeping Hudson in the squad every week, but don’t all manager, I believe that we have had a little blip, but the only way is up for Cardiff now.

  3. Think you need to look again at how many other sides are in our division!

    What you have written is a valid defence of Dave Jones’ first five seasons at the club in my opinion. Against such a background, the feast or famine stuff his teams have turned out during that time can be understood to a large extent.

    However, things are different this season because expectations have gone up with the main reason for this being that the manager, many of his players and much of the media keep on telling us we have one of the most talented squads in the Championship (if not the most talented).

    Despite this, the season is showing ominous signs of developing into a “typical Dave Jones” campaign with spells of good results being followed by dross of the sort we have, mostly, been producing since the Swansea match when our manager went with a side and approach which seemed to be based on not losing the game.

    The hangover from that match hasn’t gone away and our manager seems utterly incapable of sorting out the mess which, I believe, is largely of his own making.

    Let’s not forget either that this squad includes a group of players who Dave Jones tells us were his first choice transfer targets at the end of last season. I agree that there have been many supporters over the past few years who have been knee jerk Jones outers, but, for me at least, this is different purely because of the squad we now have – I don’t think Dave Jones should be sacked at the moment, but if this run goes on into the New Year, then it becomes a different matter,

    1. Cheers – changed that. Call it a “typo of passion”. I dont want to get in long discussions on here about this, but my contention is that expextations may be high because of the standard of players – but many have only reached that standard due to DJ. Put Whittingham, Burke, Chopra, Bothroyd in the hands of another manager and they wouldn’t have earned that reputation.

      1. Okay, credit where it’s due – Dave Jones has definitely done well with those players you mention, but Whittingham, Burke etc. were part of previous squads which were, as far as I can recall, never realistically touted as automatic promotion material by our manager.

        This season is different though and the resultant heightened supporter expectation levels have been fanned by statements from various club employees about how a top two place is the target this time around.

        It has to follow then that the difference in attitude from our manager is down to the arrival of Bellamy, Olofinjana, Naylor, Koumas etc.

        However, as of now, it seems to me that the best and most consistent signing Dave Jones made during the summer is probably Tom Heaton who would have cost a fraction of what the five or six other more high profile arrivals have done.

        At the moment, for various reasons, our clutch of loan signings (as well as Lee Naylor) are not doing the business and this has to reflect poorly on our manager for one of two reasons – either he showed poor judgement in signing them because they are not as good as he thought they were or they are as good as he thought they were, he is unable to getting them to perform to the standard they are capable of.

        I have always believed that supporters who have continuously wanted Dave Jones out over the past five years or more are wrong because they do not react to events as they unfold, but, by the same token, slavishly sticking behind the man come what may can’t be right – this season has thrown up a new set of challenges for our manager and, at the moment, I think he is failing some of them.

  4. Its about opinions.

    Mine is

    Cardiff Citys ambition now outweighs Dave Jones capabilities

    He is not good enough to take us to the next level

    Rather than HIM being bigger than the Club, which he has always
    been quick to intimate to those in the Media he deems worthy of
    an interview,…. Cardiff City have outgrown him.

    Thanks Dave.

    but the ignorant, no nothing Cardiff City public, and the ignorant, no nothing
    pundits like Blake, Giles, Perry, Ratcliffe, Walsh dont think you got what it
    takes

    P.s. Ratcliffe DID play in the great Merseyside Derby, so perhaps he does
    know something?

  5. you’re spot on. jones should be judged at the end of the season. best manager we have ever had.
    don’t forget, it’s the local press whose interests are sereved if jones goes.

  6. Our best chance of the Premiership was Wembley and one injury and a 4-3-3 Blackpool formation saw Jones totally bereft of ideas…..he had no idea whatsoever what to do when Bothroyd went off……….and look what happens when we lose Bothroyd now? Look what happens when teams play 4-3-3 against us STILL!

    Lets look at the midfield/strike players brought in the last few years shall we…………Bellamy, Burke, Whittingham, Chopra, Bothroyd, Koumas,McPhail etc etc…………ok?
    Now lets look at the defenders we have brought to the club…………….aside from McNaughton and Johnson (now gone)……………………………..no defenders of any note whatsoever identified and purchased/loaned by decree of Dave Jones…………………Lets go through the defenders we have, Naylor, Gypes, Hudson, Blake, Matthews (oops, he upset the manager and has gone from starlet to nobody in two months) etc etc etc………
    anyone see the disparity? We have a manager who seems to think promotion will be gained by having lots of attackers that he cannot gel together – then blames the shite defenders HE brought in, for losing against Middlesbrough. Most City fans knew we were going to lose on saturday. Dave Jones has reached his limit as a manager in the higher end of the championship and thats just about it.
    The post seems to ignore that we have not played well ALL season….we are not in a blip, its a downward spiral – a huge difference.
    Other clubs poor form has enabled us to sit in a misleading 2nd position and god help us but we will not be 2nd in January- worse still, overtaken by the jacks.
    Those other clubs are now playing very well, jacks, watford, leeds, etc etc….yet our squad is leaps and bounds ahead of theirs.
    So whats wrong? It doesnt take steven hawkin does it?
    Dave Jones deserves better than the City?
    sorry mate, but he is an average manager at best….to get in the premiership we need someone who can use the resources at his disposal via more than one lacklustre formation……DJ is a good manager when it goes well, when it doesnt……………….its all someone elses fault.

    i appreciate your opinion, but i want City in the premiership……….Dave Jones will fuck up.

  7. I will document my feelings in brackets after the initial comments in the above “article.”

    I resent having to write this article. Part of me feels I am contributing to a discussion that shouldn’t even be aired. I usually try to understand and accept other viewpoints, however absurd they seem to me. But now, with Cardiff City in 2nd place in the Championship, I hear some people are calling for Dave Jones to be fired and I am dumbfounded. (A rather self-gratuitous, self-obsessed start…)

    Usually I can ignore such reactionary nonsense by avoiding the places where it is aired. But now, incredibly, the argument for Dave Jones’ dismissal is gaining ground amongst some of the wiser heads. There are people whose opinion I respect, people who have been through the 80’s and 90’s with Cardiff City, who believe that Dave Jones is no longer the best man for the job. (It is you being reactionary, those offering a differing opinion to you could be considered proactive rather than reactive like you as they are highlighting deficiencies of Jones despite perceived “success” at the moment. Also, if you “respect” these people’s views, why do you give the impression of feeling nauseas even talking about such viewpoints that have the temerity to doubt his Holiness?)

    Where do I begin? (Do you have to?)

    When Dave Jones was appointed manager of Cardiff City in 2005, Cardiff were a club whose financial deceit had just been uncovered. He was appointed at a struggling side, but this being Cardiff, this being football, people felt that they should be doing better: (If you were ignorant enough not to know about the problems before this then don’t assume everyone else is as ignorant as you.)

    As Terry Phillips wrote after Jones’ predecessor was fired:

    Lawrence left City on something of a low note following a season trying to stave off relegation with a squad most believed should have been nowhere near the lower reaches.

    Doesn’t that sound familiar? The culture of entitlement was already there when Jones arrived. (Only to a small degree do I agree. The innuendo from that piece – and I’m no Phillips/ Echo fan – is that a team having what were many Premiership players such as Gabbidon, Earnshaw, Collins, Kavanagh, McAnuff etc and many others of a decent stature also should indeed have meant that Cardiff were not battling relegation. At no point was it suggested that such unrealistic ambitions of promotion and the like be achieved, merely that mid-table should have been within the reaches of a squad that boasted several players of Premiership ability. Is that so grotesque and unreasonable?)

    Dave Jones came in to a club that was close to financial disaster. He needed to raise funds urgently. His brief was to keep the club in the Championship. Not to get promotion, just to survive.

    The club has been teetering on the brink of ruin since 2006, with a series of court appearances, winding up orders and have been very close to administration on more than one occasion. (This is indeed true and given the reduced budgets he had to work with for the first 2 seasons he did a fine job steadying a ship in very choppy waters. Few Cardiff fans, even fierce critics of his, will say anything other than what a good job he did initially for the first 2 years.)

    In November 2007, against this background Cardiff dropped to 20th place in the Championship. Dave Jones was given two games to save his job by Peter Ridsdale, and was physically threatened by supporters. That season, Cardiff reached the FA Cup Final, which was simply unimaginable in my lifetime, and in 2009 finished in their highest position for 28 years. (Jones had an astronomical wage bill that season of over £13m. Reaching the F A Cup Final was and is an incredible achievement, however kind the draw may have been, but for a balanced perspective, a below mid-table finish – 13th if memory serves – which is the ultimate priority was for such an exorbitant and unaffordable/ unsustainable budget very poor indeed. Despite the myth perpetuated by Messrs Jones & Ridsdale, the “historical” debts were greatly exacerbated under their leadership, facts proven via the Club’s accounts.)

    He achieved this high position after selling Aaron Ramsey to Arsenal, Chris Gunter to Tottenham, Cameron Jerome and Roger Johnson to Birmingham and and several other players for good money. By the end of 2009, he had brought in £33 million. (Yes, incredible that club’s have to sell players to make ends meet, how unfair… All clubs, even the very biggest – remember Ronaldo? – sell players to balance the books, get over it. There is also no mention of the astronomical amount of money Jones has blown on wages since 2008. JFH cost around £2m alone for one season, Fowler & Sinclair were hugely expensive failures too costing around the same between them, whilst since then Jones has been given lucrative wage budgets – around £12m a season despite this being more than the clubs entire turnover – with which to work which has been only partially subsidized by his profits in actual fees. You may not understand how things work as you seem a bit dim, but the wage bill is the biggest expenditure at any club, not transfer fees. The debt has continued to grow under his & Ridsdale’s leadership in complete contradiction to his claims the debt is purely historical and not remotely of his making; they have unequivocally exacerbated the problem yet further.)

    To replace those players he spent just over £5m. Anthony Gerrard was bought for £200,000 to replace Roger Johnson, who had been sold for £5 million. That is an example of Cardiff’s economics. That is what Dave Jones has had to deal with. (Yes, incredible that Championship clubs don’t have much money to spend. What is incredible is that Cardiff are able to spend £3m & £20k a week on Chopra, £1m & £14k a week on Hudson, around £25k a week on Bellamy, Koumas & Olofinjana on roughly £15k a week apiece, while not so obviously expensive mistakes such as Feeney & Capaldi picked up princely wages – £5k a week approx. – for very limited productivity indeed. Jones, just like any other manager, has made many very good buys, but many bad and expensive ones too. Just because they didn’t come with a big fee doesn’t mean they weren’t expensive.)

    In October 2009, he told the Daily Mail

    I personally feel I’m being punished for old debt. I think a lot of managers feel like that. When I arrived my brief was to keep the club in the Championship. The year before they’d just escaped relegation. I was then told we’d have to sell Jobi McAnuff, Danny Gabbidon and James Collins to survive. We then had to sell Peter Thorne. The debt had to come down. I understood. (See above comments, did a good job first 2 years or so, since then he has only delivered pretty much what he should have given his budgets, though even the first 2 years provided enough funds to have made relegation a very unlikely prospect, despite the propaganda.)

    Last season City reached the play-offs after finishing fourth – another longstanding record was broken. It was our highest position for 39 years. (So it should have been, the quality of the league apart from the top 2 was very ordinary, whilst City lost out on promotion to a team with a budget approximately a third of Cardiff’s with Chopra alone costing more alone than the entire Blackpool squad. He’s also had the biggest budgets in 39 years so he should be getting such a position at the very least.)

    We are now in 2nd place. We are higher than 23 other teams in our Division; teams who have had money to spend; teams with massive parachute payments from their time in the Premier League; teams with higher average attendances; teams without a huge historical debt to pay off; teams who have just as much right as we do to earn promotion. (Cardiff were big spenders last season, whilst this season big players have been brought in on huge wages which is of course the biggest drain on any clubs finances. Apologies if you find that confusing or inconvenient for your agenda. Yes, some have bigger wage bills, but that shows just how badly they have been run too, rather than how impoverished Cardiff are which is and has been a myth for a number of years. There also aren’t many – that means none- in the Championship who can boast of having one of the best players in Europe at their club on huge wages of which significantly more is paid for by the parent club. This also didn’t come about down to Jones persuasive charms, merely the self interest of Bellamy in simply wanting to be near his family in Cardiff & Man City’s reluctance to allow such a player to play for a fellow competitor. Bellamy’s dissatisfaction with Jones much ridiculed tactical appreciation already threatens the short-lived love-in.)

    So what do Dave Jones’ critics have to say? Firstly that he is “a bottler”. This is based on the failure to maintain superb form throughout a season. He would be better advised to start poorly and finish well. It doesn’t matter what the eventual points total, Jones is penalised for his good starts. It is imagined that somehow, he gets nervous towards the end of a season, and this is transmitted to his players. (You argue for the point you attempt to argue against! As you say, the end position is indeed all important so why do people bang on about being second now, it’s December for God’s sake and the signs for a number of years, not weeks, have been worrying for those who can see further than their nose. History proves his teams “bottle” it so why shouldn’t those justifiable and statistically proven concerns be aired? Just as his relative historical successes are aired as why he should stay, shouldn’t this be balanced with the negatives too? You’ll be telling me he was sinned against at Southampton next and sacked for well publicized non-foootballing reasons when a court of law proved otherwise; he was sacked because he wasn’t good enough, just as he wasn’t at Wolves. This “bottling” almost cost him promotion with Wolves, despite another expensively assembled squad, while Wolves fans do not speak highly of Jones, indeed nor do Southampton fans either so it isn’t just Cardiff fans who don’t like him.)

    Even if this were the case (and I don’t believe it is), then people should remember how we got there in the first place. Look at it objectively. City have reached 7th place, or the playoffs despite a disrupted boardroom, an uncertain future, with players who have missed wages, at a club in a precarious financial situation. They shouldn’t be anywhere near the playoffs by right. (Yes they should because they have effectively cheated/ manipulated the system in being able to get away with operating on unsustainable budgets for a number of years enabling them to attract players they can ill afford. Jones has embraced this gleefully and reaped the rewards, without actually producing anything above what he should have achieved in the first place. Cardiff’s player budget for last season was around £13m, Blackpool’s nearer £5m, yet it was Jones lamenting the size of his squad whilst Holloway simply got on with it and massively over achieved with a far less expensive and less talented squad. What do you think Jones would have achieved with a budget of around £5m? We laud him as our savior for managing to keep us up several years ago on a budget of £8m, Holloway took Blackpool up several years later with even less of a budget!)

    They are there because over his time at the club, Dave Jones has taken awkward, unwanted, discarded players like Whittingham, Burke, Koumas, Chopra, Bothroyd, and combined them with cheap unproven players like Loovens, Johnson, Parry, McCormack and McNaughton. (I could go on), and turned them all into fantastic footballers. You only have to look at the form of people like Ledley, Parry, Chopra, McCormack, and Loovens after they left the club to see what he gave them. (As before, there have been many successes, but many failures too. You seem insistent on looking at only the positives rather than offering a balanced perspective. The only reason I’m focusing on negatives is to provide such a balance. JFH, Fowler, Sinclair, Capaldi, Feeney, Reddan, Hudson, Gyepes, indeed I could go on too my friend. He also inherited a much respected youth system that has yielded the likes of Gunter, Ledley, Jerome, Ramsey & Matthews, yet since Jones took over the well, apart from those already in it, began to dry up. Indeed, Jones believed Ramsey was no central midfield player – Wenger seems to think so, but then what does he know bearing in mind Jones belief that unless you’ve played at a higher level than his Holiness you can tell him nothing about the game – while he has hung young Matthews out to dry and put his prodigiously promising career that was and is destined for the higher echelons of the Premiership back years. Jones is strangling the young talent at the club when it should be the strength and future of the club.)

    The other criticisms are that he doesn’t wave his arms enough, that he somehow undervalues the importance of the Derby fixture against Swansea, and that he is grumpy with the local press. Listen, I am grumpy just having to listen to the shit that he puts up with, I’d hate to imagine what I’d be like in his shoes. (Me too, but that’s for another day & off topic anyway. The ability of Swansea to consistently outplay and outfight Cardiff in virtually every game they have played should be ignored then should it? One lucky win & several comprehensive defeats suggests Jones does indeed have a problem in either motivating the team, tactical awareness, or a combination of the two and not just against Swansea.)

    So against all of this… against a record of unprecedented success on the field since the 1920s, and with a massive profit in transfer dealings at a club in financial meltdown, with a proven record of player development, and developing an exciting style of winning football over his five years at the club, Dave Jones’ job is on the line. Because we have only taken 5 points out of the past 6 games, 2 of which were against the teams in 1st and 3rd places. Six games. (You for real, man? Unprecedented success? Have I missed something? What have we won? Are we still in the Championship? You’re deluded. The profits on transfer fees are completely engulfed by the huge & unsustainable wage budgets he has operated with, the club is still in financial meltdown and has only been bailed out of liquidation by the Malaysians who could still pull out at any time. If you think the financial woes have disappeared you’re very much mistaken. Proven player development can equally be shown to be destructive to many other players, especially younger ones, whilst as for exciting football, well, if you call a refined version of the long ball exciting I suggest you watch some real football my friend. It’s also 5 points out of the last 21 available which also includes the bottom 2 sides (I know you’re a bit dim given your spewings thus far, I didn’t realize you couldn’t count either – I’m presuming you are literate?), while the concern isn’t just your analytical preference (reactionary hullaballoo) but borne out of poor performances even when Cardiff were winning and views over a prolonged and sustained period.)

    I hope Dave Jones goes and finds himself a club where he is appreciated because Cardiff City don’t deserve him. And then once he’s gone, we can replace him with a normal manager, somebody who will get the results this broken club deserves. Somebody who we can shout and scream at to make ourselves feel better about our own inadequacies. Dave Jones is too good for us. (Me too, but for different reasons it would seem. Will you go as his number 2? Just like when any new manager comes in, it could be positive or negative, only time will tell which. I’m not obnoxious or naive enough to not embrace the possibility that things could go down hill without his Holiness, but I also believe a manager that actually is good couldn’t fail to deliver Premiership football with such an expensively assembled squad that Jones is privileged enough to have been quite literally afforded. Jones has done much good for the club, but he also manages to disrespect the fans every time he speaks, has clear and obvious tactical inadequacies that continue to astound & is arrogant & conceited beyond belief. His £800k a year wages are extortionate for outside the Championship, very credible even for the Premiership in truth, yet has Jones been by some distance the best manager outside the Prem for the last several years as his inflated salary would suggest? Most definitely not. If Dave Jones was even half as good as he seems to think, he would probably be managing Barcelona – & England on a part-time basis no doubt -, but for Dave the truth is somewhat different. He is a decent mid-table Championship manager, nothing more, nothing less, if only he had a modicum of humility in him and treated the fans with the respect they deserve he may have in turn gained the respect and adulation you think he warrants, regardless of him having to earn it and the feeling of respect being mutual. Rather than your embarrassing, teenage girlish, toe curlingly gushing praise of his Holiness in saying poor Dave isn’t appreciated, loved & deserves so much more, a more pertinent question is don’t the fans deserve more than a manager who treats them with utter contempt? Jones should realize it is he who is privileged to manage this club rather than we are to have him.)

    1. First off, why are you sarcastically double-quoting this, i.e. “article”. It’s an article not an “article” whether you agree with it or not.

      Second, you’ve done nothing to counter the very good points raised in this article, other than raise a bitter, ad-hominem attack on the author’s writing style. Your saying “if Dave Jones was even half as good as he seems to think, he would probably be managing Barcelona” doesn’t even begin to address the article’s arguments about unprecedented success and massive profit under adverse conditions for Dave Jones.

      Third, why are you so hung-up on Jones treating the fans with apparent contempt? I personally couldn’t care less about how Jones treats us as long as he gets us to the Premiership. It seems to me you care more about getting ‘respect’ as a fan, rather than the future of this football club. If you want to get ‘respect’ and ‘recognition’ go join a street gang; being a football fan should be all about the football and the club, not about the fans’ image and self-esteem.

      Fourth, there is no need to quote the whole article when you reply to it, this only makes it difficult to read your reply. We understand you’re replying to the original article, it’s pretty much self-evident, no need to re-post it.

      that’s all

      Dave

  8. Jones is the one who said he had the squad he’d always dreamed of
    at the start of the season. Three of his signings, Koumas, Riggott and
    Naylor are not fit for purpose, now he says “He’ll do the job” if he gets
    another HALF A TEAM????????? He’s living on borrowed time, Jones
    is in a unique position as manager here in that HE makes all the decisions
    regarding team selection, training, fitness etc. Yet he accepts none of the
    blame when things go wrong! Pack yer bags Davy, we dont deserve a top
    honest, tactically astute, motivational guru like you, we are only Cardiff
    City. Tara luv

    mark

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